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trees

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How to progress Ameli's quest?
« on: February 11, 2019, 06:02:39 am »

She currently seems to be stuck on the Music Club part of her quest. The Cooking Club portion went off perfectly fine, but she's hung up on the Music Club. I looked at the event in the event editor and also looked at some threads here, but nothing suggested seems to work.

There's definitely at least four females/futas in the club

Ameli isn't the club president

I haven't tried to hypnotize the actual music club president

When I closed and re-opened the club Ameli immediately rejoined it

I've tried entering and exiting the room for the whole club period, walking back and forth through the upper halls for the whole club period, and waiting in the clubroom for the whole club period

None of this seems to have helped with anything, I'm not really sure what to investigate from here. I've attached the current save I'm running on as well. Any help is appreciated.
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Re: How to progress Ameli's quest?
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2019, 07:26:52 am »

First level observation: Reading that, it sounds like you're 'hunting' for an event to happen, because you suspect it should
First level suggestion: You do need to pop into her current club from time to time, but you also need to be patient

More in-depth, based on kooking at your save:
-  You're at the very earliest stage of even the possibility of progressing that quest
-  Closing and opening club will only work against you in this quest
-  Without putting more time into it, can't say if that would have derailed it entirely
-  Will say: it would be a bug is that were true, and I have no reason to believe there's any bugs in that ATM
-  So, back to first level suggestion: be more patient
« Last Edit: February 11, 2019, 08:23:56 am by Spinner »
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Re: How to progress Ameli's quest?
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2019, 04:41:26 pm »

First level observation: Reading that, it sounds like you're 'hunting' for an event to happen, because you suspect it should
First level suggestion: You do need to pop into her current club from time to time, but you also need to be patient

More in-depth, based on kooking at your save:
-  You're at the very earliest stage of even the possibility of progressing that quest
-  Closing and opening club will only work against you in this quest
-  Without putting more time into it, can't say if that would have derailed it entirely
-  Will say: it would be a bug is that were true, and I have no reason to believe there's any bugs in that ATM
-  So, back to first level suggestion: be more patient

Alright, I'll give her a few months and see what happens. Only reason I'm skeptical though is because she quit Cooking Club on pretty much her first week there, whereas she's been in Music for about a month at this point.
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Re: How to progress Ameli's quest?
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2019, 09:24:35 pm »

That comment made me wonder.  As it implies an assumption all things in the game are linear, and without interconnection.
On back of that, I took another gander at your save, to look for possible broader issues.
Some things you need be aware of:
-  Lots of stuff is connected (as the story line dictates)
-  Having a secretary or PA on staff is connected to lots of things
-  Ameli's story is connected to the progress of the club's she's in
« Last Edit: February 11, 2019, 10:55:36 pm by Spinner »
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Re: How to progress Ameli's quest?
« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2019, 01:37:42 am »

That comment made me wonder.  As it implies an assumption all things in the game are linear, and without interconnection.
On back of that, I took another gander at your save, to look for possible broader issues.
Some things you need be aware of:
-  Lots of stuff is connected (as the story line dictates)
-  Having a secretary or PA on staff is connected to lots of things
-  Ameli's story is connected to the progress of the club's she's in

I was actually going to take care of PA/Secretary next so I could start working PTA stuff, but in terms of the music club the wiki doesn't have anything. I don't remember if the Cooking Club got the snack bar before Ameli quit it, but assuming it did, could you point me to the trigger for the Music Club's equivalent?
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Re: How to progress Ameli's quest?
« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2019, 01:58:42 am »

Now I see what's happened to you...  the wiki is now dated, and you should treat as a general guide (at best).
-  Rather than update that, we've putting all the required guidance into the game
    (journals, notes, item descriptions, quest clues, help, etc, etc, etc.)
-  Benefit is: That all gets updated as and when quests are changed, added, etc.
-  So in-game stuff is your best guide...  ;)

As for specifics guidance on Ameli's quest: Think of the whole thing as an easter egg.
-  It's not important to anything else, and it just happens as you progress through the game.
-  IMO, your biggest issue here is you've become a little OCD about that one side quest.
-  There's plenty of other things to be getting on with, and it will inevitably unfold as you do that.
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Re: How to progress Ameli's quest?
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2019, 06:31:56 am »

One other thing to remember; if you've edited the clubs to exclude a gender or if you've edited the student m:f ratio beyond what is recommended (min 30% of each), you're going to run into issues. If I'm remembering right, Amilie's quest requires both genders in the club to progress.

@Spinner - I can kinda understand where trees is coming from, the income gated behind her quest is fairly significant. If you're trying a different style it's often beneficial to get those going as a cushion (gives you the option of changing what you're doing several months in if you screwed up, rather than needing to restart)
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Re: How to progress Ameli's quest?
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2019, 07:16:04 am »

Hmmm... not sure where you're coming from raska42.
One way of reading that suggests you think Ameli's 'easter egg' status should be changed to 'slam-dunk'.

Also unsure trees was income focused (they didn't say so, but did say it was about following the wiki).
A point to note here is: the wiki [possibly unintentionally] implies you need Ameli's quest to open the cabaret.
This isn't true now, and (as far as I know), was never true.   

At all aside, making money isn't hard, and Ameli's 'easter egg' status makes sense IMO.
There's more than enough room in the game for some of that... Yes?

After all, just being frugal solves any conundrums vis-à-vis 'trying a different style'.
And even if you're not... you can always just play your way out of being overly ambitious in your early spending...  ;)
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Re: How to progress Ameli's quest?
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2019, 09:42:05 am »

@trees
This is just a shot in the dark, but do you have the Theater Club up?  If so, I dunno what to tell you.  But to help you along, here's my understanding of the quest chain.  From my personal experience, Ameli's quest can be separated into three phases.

1st Phase is when she's trying out the different clubs.  Before she can leave one club the next has to be active or she has no destination when she leaves.  The cycle always starts her in Cooking and then moves to either Music or Theater (don't remember which).  She'll go to one, then the other.  Another thing to note is there is a time restriction on these events.  If memory serves they can't trigger within a week or two of each other.

2nd Phase is when she's thinking about the club she really wants.  Here is when you'll need to randomly run into her in the hallway between classes.  I think there's a total of 3 or 4 of these and they can't happen any sooner then about 20 days (give or take) of each other.  The random encounter rate is a real pain if you're actively gunning for this chain so you're better off focusing on other things and just letting these occur naturally.

3rd Phase is when the M.A.I.D. Club is actually formed.  This part has multiple steps so bear with me.
 It will start of in the 3rd Classroom after school.  From here you will need access to the Cabaret.  I think you will need to have the Theater Club turned into a strip show in the bar, which in of itself requires Stacy Slutsky to have considerable corruption and affection for you.  Affection IS a key factor here since there are NO corruption/blackmail quests with her so you will need to actively date her to raise that.  Cellphone notes on her will help you keep track of your progress on that. Depending on Ameli and the school's overall corruption, inhibition, etc., eventually one of your visits to her club will have her remark about wanting a real place for the club.  Then at some point a club member will approach you in the Cabaret Lobby with a flier (contextually) detailing how Ameli wants the V.I.P. Room done for them.  You'll need to go back to Stacy and pretty much max out her affection, and possibly the other usual stats, for her to agree this this.  After a few days, talk to Stacy again and she'll let you know it's been done.  Go back to Ameli's Club in the school and they'll start using the V.I.P. Room from then onward.


And that's about it for Ameli's quest line.  I don't know if any of this will solve you current problem, but hopefully it will make progress a little easier.
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Re: How to progress Ameli's quest?
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2019, 10:02:15 pm »

Yeah... so IMO, misinformation is worse than no information.
Simply because it adds to confusion and potentially is a source of frustration.

In the spirit of dispelling misinformation added by Zenotyne regarding Ameli:
-  Club opening order doesn't matter
-  Nor does having any clubs open at the same time as others
-  'the school's overall corruption, inhibition, etc.' doesn't matter
-  Having a strip club doesn't matter

A lot of the rest is partly spoilers and partly misinformation on other clubs
-  Won't get into detailed corrections re the other clubs or Stacy (as I'll just be adding to the spoilers)
-  Will say: Like the wiki, treat as a general guide (at best)

To reiterate the points previously covered:
-  Ameli's story line is an intentional Easter egg
    In case it's not obvious by now, that's the reason there's no 'Ameli' Journal...  ;)
-  It's meant to just unfold as you get on with other stuff
-  There's little you can do to 'force it along', and attempting to will likely only lead to frustration
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Re: How to progress Ameli's quest?
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2019, 01:09:53 pm »

Hmmm... not sure where you're coming from raska42.
One way of reading that suggests you think Ameli's 'easter egg' status should be changed to 'slam-dunk'.

That isn't exactly wrong, although I doubt I'd go as far as 'slam-dunk' ease. The main difference is I don't particularly consider that an easter egg, as it's needed twice for progressing 3 other clubs (4 counting maid). It halts progress on a track until it's done, I see it as a gate quest, plain and simple (same as the newspaper which gates public nudity). I get that you want the maid club to be an easter egg, but you're going to keep getting this brought up if you have amilie having moved on a requirement for the cabaret, and the maid club a requirement for one of the cabaret expansions, since these send progress with other clubs into a brick wall. The new(ish) rework of her moving from club to club does help, but if you want her club to be an actual easter egg, at least the second part is going to need to have alternate conditions, or she'll remain a grind intensive gatekeeper rather than an easter egg
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Re: How to progress Ameli's quest?
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2019, 01:59:26 pm »

As Spinner stated above, you don't need Ameli for anything except the maid club itself. The other clubs (and their cabaret parts) progress independently of Ameli's stuff (or at least are meant to).

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Re: How to progress Ameli's quest?
« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2019, 02:46:32 am »

raska42,
I assume you didn't actually read what I wrote.  Or did, but didn't take it as fact.
Either way, hopefully barteke22's clear and concise response above has sorted out your misunderstandings...  :)

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Re: How to progress Ameli's quest?
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2019, 09:35:45 am »

raska42,
I assume you didn't actually read what I wrote. 

Missed the line about her not being needed to open the cabaret (is that a 1.9.5 change? Definitely seemed like she was blocking it in the past, but if that's been cleared up now theres no need to focus on it). That being said, I could send the little comment about reading what was written right back at you, as my second point (which was apparently incorrect) wasn't addressed anywhere until barteke's post. Sorry about the confusion and misinformation, I'll try(?) to be more accurate in the future, but the lack of being able to confirm any info kinda makes that difficult, as what we believe the cause of something is can be wrong (as I apparently just was). I suppose given that info she is more of an easter egg, but as long as she's on the wiki people are going to try to get her (I'm assuming no one has removed her).

Edit: Just read the spoiler stuff in barteke's and your posts (I almost asked the same thing actually). That would be the first gate I was referring to, which is pretty easy to get now. So at this point I'm just gonna assume you didn't read what I wrote (why is it that pretty much every time we interact it feels confrontational?). Lets not continue this, it's degrading to pointlessness.
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Re: How to progress Ameli's quest?
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2019, 03:33:55 pm »

Sorry you feel that way.
I just re-read all my replies to your questions (here and elsewhere).
None seem confrontational to me. But then again, one of the things about internet dialogs like this is they're always open to interpretation.

My comments about not reading what I wrote or not believing it, weren't intended to upset you.
Rather, they were intended to steer you back to re-reading that, and taking it on face value (as barteke22 did)

Not sure what you think I missed in your previous post. 
Reading it again and I conclude (as I did the first time) it's all prefaced on the one basic misunderstanding.
And I thought then and now that my above posts (collectively) already addressed that.

I agree having a dated wiki hanging about leads to questions like this.
I do find myself reminding people the wiki is in fact dated and/or inaccurate (as I did in this case).
Though the opening wiki page referring to 1.08 should also stand as a clue.

I prefer to spend time developing in-game assistance (with the hope ppl will use that instead).
But I'll put a little time into at least making the wiki's status clearer.

EDIT:  Ok.  I think I've removed the cause for confusion regarding this from the wiki.
I've also added an upfront rider highlighting the wiki status.
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