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Jman

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Re: Girl packs
« Reply #1245 on: January 13, 2021, 08:52:09 pm »

But rather in a single file that’s password locked. Inside the file, each pack will be organized into serious and then matched by a profile picture. The password will be on each new post I make. There’s an anti loli brigade on 95zone that is actively flagging any Mega that pops up here that contains loli content. I have been sent direct evidence of this. I suggest anyone with Lolis take the same approach with their files.
If there are people actively trying to shut down anything remotely resembling loli, I doubt that is going to work. What's to prevent them from taking a peek anyway, if you're making the passwords public?

Passwords work against automated screening and when the passwords are shared in a controlled manner, not just by existing.

And the whole thing is hypocritical to the extreme, since the biggest strike against anything hosted on Mega and similar sites is usually some version of copyright violation, while F95 is the definition of a den of piracy. If this campaign gains enough traction, free file hosting might get tightened some more, and everybody loses. >:(

As a minimum, I suggest we stop posting girl pack updates (edit: to F95) and take down non-HHS user access (i.e., renew the link and put it into an attachment or similar) to the girl pack spreadsheet on F95 until they get this under control. If it's never, their loss.
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« Reply #1246 on: January 13, 2021, 09:07:23 pm »

I completely agree. It's just a stupid Justice campaign and Twitter level bullshit. The hypocrisy, goes deeper than you think as well. I didn’t show everything I found out. Like why Leortha has not been hit is only because he puts up 90% of the packs and there afraid hitting him will lead to the death of good girl pack.

But anyways. I know the password is far from a perfect idea, but it was the best idea I had and will protect against automatic searches. I have no idea what else to do, I mean if I don’t put the password up somewhere no one will be able to get the packs. At least not without a DM and then there’s problems with that as well.

The only other idea was a locked section only pack creators and trusted accounts could access but that also offers up entirely different challenges.
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Re: Girl packs
« Reply #1247 on: January 13, 2021, 09:26:14 pm »

One possibility is to segregate your mega.  Instead of one pack directory, have two.  One for F95 that has only non-loli content, and one for here that contains the loli content.  Then on HHS put both links in your sig, and on F95 only use the first.  Then there would be no loli content linked on F95 at all.

If they are coming here to find stuff to report, then that's a different matter.  But avoiding linking on F95 to anywhere that loli exists is not all that difficult to do.

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« Reply #1248 on: January 13, 2021, 09:30:19 pm »

I already kind of done that and I never posted a link over there at all. The only time I even said anything there was when someone was asking for a Dawn pack and I told them I had one but they would have to come here to get it.
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« Reply #1249 on: January 13, 2021, 09:30:42 pm »

In fact, that's an easy enough change to make, I'm going to do that myself.  If there are people on F95 taking their issues beyond the borders of F95, then it's likely best to be safe and have that main link not contain anything that would set them off.  This will mean my loli content may be unavailable a little while while I shuffle stuff around.

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« Reply #1250 on: January 13, 2021, 09:33:54 pm »

I don’t know what difference it will make with them coming here how will you handle the loli link? I’m trying to come up with a better idea for how I give access to the password for my packs but it’s a real conundrum.
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« Reply #1251 on: January 13, 2021, 09:36:19 pm »

Well I already had done that and I never posted a link over there at all. The only time I even said anything there was when someone was asking for a Dawn pack and I told them I had one but they would have to come here to get it.

I was likely cross-posting your non-loli stuff.  If they are acting like you said, all it took would have been for them to look in there and see the stuff that they don't like, and that would be all it took.

Another possibility would be to just rebuild your mega, and ask for noone to crosspost your stuff over there.  Might not be a bad idea anyway if you already have a target on you.

One single zip file means that any time someone wants one of your packs, they have to download every single one of your packs.  Every time you create a new pack, people need to download all of your old packs.  If you are distributing link to a single zip instead of a directory, then every time you update that zip, your old links go bad.  I just think that your current path forward is setting you up for far more hassle than you expect.

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Re: Girl packs
« Reply #1252 on: January 13, 2021, 09:38:01 pm »

I don’t know what difference it will make with them coming here how will you handle the loli link? I’m trying to come up with a better idea for how I give access to the password for my packs but it’s a real conundrum.
 

I intend to stick the loli link in my sig here on BK, and never mention it on F95.  <shrug>

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« Reply #1253 on: January 13, 2021, 09:43:18 pm »

Hmm, I don’t think that will work. But your safe anyways at least until someone start posting there that has you Quality and quantity of packs. But I don’t see that happening. It won’t hurt to do at the very least. All I know they achieved the opposite effect of what they wanted to with me now I just want to double down on making loli packs.
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Re: Girl packs
« Reply #1254 on: January 13, 2021, 09:48:45 pm »

Basically, if it's indeed people breaking the silent agreement that you don't fuck with content creators if you still want content to be made, and going beyond their native forum at that, there needs to be pushback or things will only get worse. Segregating loli and non-loli links is useless if they're getting their info from here. They're not merely 'enforcing' F95 forum rules anymore.

If I was hit like that, I'd just take my toys to another place, mandate PM's for password access and if anything leaks even then, just say forget it and go back to doing stuff merely for my own pleasure.

One solution is to identify the people responsible and ask F95 moderators if they're fine with this behaviour. If not, they'll have to clean house and we'll see how it goes. If the mods see nothing amiss, I'd say just stop doing anything BK-related over there and lock the threads if possible. At least for me, the extra pain is not worth the added visibility. I myself found BK off of some genuine leecher site, actually. :-[ And Goldo's gotten relatively little direct utility out of BK being on F95. Indirectly, who knows?

A temporary moratorium of a few months on all girl packs being made as a warning is also possible. That'd require all active packmakers to come abroad aboard, though. Edit: Now that's a Freudian typo if I ever saw one!
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« Reply #1255 on: January 13, 2021, 09:54:29 pm »

A temporary moratorium of a few months on all girl packs being made as a warning is also possible. That'd require all active packmakers to come abroad, though.

I could do that easily enough.  I'm already technically not making packs currently, as I'm still filling up my "to name" folder.  I could keep working on that side of things for a while if it was wanted.

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« Reply #1256 on: January 13, 2021, 09:58:47 pm »

The 95 mods won’t do shit they actively despise lolis as well and technically they didn’t break any rules on their site so it’s out of their hands. Honestly, I’m almost at the point of saying we need a text only discord. That’s invitation and only for pack Creators and trust accounts.

I’m also going to be doing a huge update to all of my packs and learn the new tags. I’m also looking into making my own mod for the game. So not uploading for a while it’s fine with me.
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« Reply #1257 on: January 13, 2021, 10:22:54 pm »

The 95 mods won’t do shit they actively despise lolis as well and technically they didn’t break any rules on their site so it’s out of their hands.
Are you sure? The loli thing on the part of various forums is largely a reaction to webhosts (including forum hosts) becoming more touchy about the subject, and usually not due to some great conviction on their part.

There's also a bunch of people on an 'anti-NTR' crusade over there, and I had no trouble getting a ranting review of BK from one of them struck down. So it's better to try first, mods are humans too.

And not breaking the rules of their forum is a moot point since their users are acting outside their forum, but are being enabled by it. That's the point where even a site admin's word ceases to be law and becomes negotiation, choices and consequences. This is exactly the same category of bullshit that got the outgoing US president banned from social media, whatever the additional reasons behind it.

I'm under no illusion that BK alone is going to be influential enough to change anything. But the whole thing is like the aforementioned president: once you let them get away with it, they become more bold and acquire followers and copycats. Once there are enough of these on F95, the behaviour is normalised and it becomes a game of virtual one-upmanship, with people reporting what they perceive to be 'violations' left and right. I'd give even odds of the site even surviving in a recognizable form if it goes that far. The mods should be sane enough to recognise this.

Honestly, I’m almost at the point of saying we need a text only discord. That’s invitation and only for pack Creators and trust accounts.
This won't solve the issue, either. The whole point of girl packs is that Joe Random, who downloaded the game anonymously, can go and spice it up with extra content. :(

So not uploading for a while it’s fine with me.
If there are enough pack makers on board with this, I suggest making a visible declaration on F95 that this is the result of their 'crusade'.
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« Reply #1258 on: January 13, 2021, 10:35:18 pm »

I understand what you are saying and my view point come from the interaction I’ve had various various mods over there over the years. So it’s more of a formed personal opinion. Also, I understand your point on discord that was for loli packs and faster discussion but not a big deal at all it was more of a spitball.
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« Reply #1259 on: January 13, 2021, 11:14:08 pm »

I'm under no illusion that BK alone is going to be influential enough to change anything. But the whole thing is like the aforementioned president: once you let them get away with it, they become more bold and acquire followers and copycats. Once there are enough of these on F95, the behaviour is normalised and it becomes a game of virtual one-upmanship, with people reporting what they perceive to be 'violations' left and right. I'd give even odds of the site even surviving in a recognizable form if it goes that far. The mods should be sane enough to recognise this.

And there is a definite path of escalation here.  If they allow for actions outside their site, striking down megas for one reason, then the next to come will be striking down megas for copyright violations.  And once that starts, F95 as a whole will have real problems.  And I will stress that I'm not saying we do that.  Not saying that we threaten to do that.  I'm saying that, if striking down megas is allowed to stand as an acceptable thing, they will have a lot less room to complain when someone inevitably does take that step over copyright.
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