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Re: Writing events for BK
« Reply #360 on: June 03, 2020, 02:46:48 pm »

Could be used when asking where a individual is from and a yellow marker can be placed with a name. You could make a master map with all know home locations.
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Re: Writing events for BK
« Reply #361 on: May 30, 2021, 11:53:05 am »

A world-building question:

What kind of system of measurements do they use for people’s height in Xeros?

I started writing lines for the princess. When asked about love, I thought she’d produce one of these endless wish lists for a man that some women put in their dating profiles - one of the classic requirements being: "must not be below 180cm/6 feet tall". What’s the Xeros equivalent for that?

https://www.revelist.com/dating/women-dating-short-men/11939
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Re: Writing events for BK
« Reply #362 on: May 30, 2021, 02:22:10 pm »

What kind of system of measurements do they use for people’s height in Xeros?
Judging from Gizel's first event, feet. Whether these are the same as real-world feet, or whether it's just Goldo 'translating' the native measurements, who knows?

On the other hand, in a semi-renaissance setting, a politically fragmented one at that, I doubt there are any kind of real standards. So if I were to invent something, some version of 'hands'. And these may vary, depending on who's doing the measuring and for what purpose. Witness Japanese shaku, which maybe doubled over time and where different professions had different shaku.

I started writing lines for the princess. When asked about love, I thought she’d produce one of these endless wish lists for a man that some women put in their dating profiles - one of the classic requirements being: "must not be below 180cm/6 feet tall". What’s the Xeros equivalent for that?
I think that'd be an anachronism, and someone answering that question in-character would resort to (semi)poetic measurements, 'tall like a young oak', 'head and shoulders above other men', etc. If at all. Most 'free' women are not as emancipated as to go on dates in BK, never mind slavegirls. And if they had a choice, they'd probably want a fat dude ('cos he must be rich ;D ), or a 'dashing' one.

The idea that women can set such requirements is sort of foreign to the era as well. Before there was Tinder, before single women went out on dates, or got to go anywhere at all without a chaperone, before anyone could afford to think beyond the economical benefits of marriage, and trysts had a chance to fuck someone over for life, there were matchmakers. And those were a royal pain. :P
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Re: Writing events for BK
« Reply #363 on: May 30, 2021, 09:21:00 pm »


Judging from Gizel's first event, feet. Whether these are the same as real-world feet, or whether it's just Goldo 'translating' the native measurements, who knows?

I think that'd be an anachronism, and someone answering that question in-character would resort to (semi)poetic measurements, 'tall like a young oak', 'head and shoulders above other men', etc. If at all. Most 'free' women are not as emancipated as to go on dates in BK, never mind slavegirls. And if they had a choice, they'd probably want a fat dude ('cos he must be rich), or a 'dashing' one.

Ok, good points!  :) I’ll go for feet and descriptions like head and shoulders above other men.

I’m not implying that she will be going on dates as such, but rather say that she is waiting for her knight in shining armour... and then have a very specific list of how she expects the said knight to be. It may be somewhat anachronistic, but I’m hoping to get some humour out of the anachronism by writing a it as BK parody of modern women’s unreasonable dating wish lists... ;)

The idea that women can set such requirements is sort of foreign to the era as well. Before there was Tinder, before single women went out on dates, or got to go anywhere at all without a chaperone, before anyone could afford to think beyond the economical benefits of marriage, and trysts had a chance to fuck someone over for life, there were matchmakers. And those were a royal pain. :P

Well, there was some surprising stuff going on already in the Middle Ages. I mean, you’re right that a lot of marriages were arranged, but marriage wasn’t everything. In medieval Europe, there was all the courtly love stuff, in which the woman was an adulteress and husbands were pretty much irrelevant. https://www.britannica.com/art/courtly-love

There’s some very interesting stuff going on in the twelfth-century work De Amore by Andreas Capellanus, for example!

Book I: After an introductory analysis of "What love is" (Parry, pp. 28–36), Book One of De Amore sets out a series of nine imaginary dialogues (pp. 36–141) between men and women of different social classes, from bourgeoisie to royalty. In each dialogue the man is pleading inconclusively to be accepted as the woman's lover, and in each he finds some small reason for optimism. The dialogs are delightful compositions, with many well-crafted arguments (albeit based on medieval rather than modern concepts) by both the ardent suitor and the skeptical lady; typically, the older man asks to be rewarded for his accomplishments whereas the young men or men of lower birth ask to be given inspiration so that they might accomplish something. These dialogues are followed by short discussions of love with priests, with nuns, for money, with peasant women, and with prostitutes (pp. 141–150).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_amore_(Andreas_Capellanus)

In the courtly love tradition, the woman is on a pedestal and the chivalrous lover is languishing for any sign of favour from his lady love. I’m thinking that in such an arrangement, women could afford to be picky...

Of course, courtly love is very much a pastime for the aristocracy and when it comes to medieval or renaissance peasants, we don’t have their own perspective, since at least 90 % of people were illiterate.

We do have various folk traditions though, some of which may go back centuries. A big thing for young girls tends to be knowing in advance, who their future husband will be https://lancashirefolk.com/2015/09/03/superstitious-lancashire-who-will-i-marry/

I’m not entirely sure, what I am trying to argue here… :P You’re not wrong saying that many marriages in pre-modern times were arranged ones and that dating culture as such is a bit anachronistic… but this whole ‘knight in shining armour’ thing goes back to medieval chivalric romances and there’s some weird and surprising stuff going on in those regarding courtly love and chivalry. There is also some evidence that women read chivalric romances. For example, Chaucer in Canterbury Tales makes some sarcastic remarks about ladies’ fascination with sir Lancelot du Lac. I do think having a list for ideal knight is not that out of place for the ‘princess’ personality and it’s also intended as intentionally anachronistic parody.
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Re: Writing events for BK
« Reply #364 on: May 30, 2021, 11:20:16 pm »

...I’m hoping to get some humour out of the anachronism by writing a it as BK parody of modern women’s unreasonable dating wish lists... ;)
Sure, can work.

...marriage wasn’t everything. In medieval Europe, there was all the courtly love stuff, in which the woman was an adulteress and husbands were pretty much irrelevant.
Eh, AFAIK the ideal was that a noblewoman was to have both a husband and lover, and the lover was not supposed to get up to anything naughty, just pine for her and perform valorous deeds in her name. Although I guess it could vary quite a bit, especially when things got back to RL and not merely ideals.

There’s some very interesting stuff going on in the twelfth-century work De Amore by Andreas Capellanus, for example!
Which was supposedly written for the French king's court. All of this chivalric love stuff tends to have been the pastime of not just nobles, but high nobles and royalty.

In the courtly love tradition, the woman is on a pedestal and the chivalrous lover is languishing for any sign of favour from his lady love. I’m thinking that in such an arrangement, women could afford to be picky...
To a degree, sure. And the coquette antics going on in the courts of the later French kings could go way beyond. But the 'targets' were still mostly men present at court, largely with the exact intention of getting involved in this 'game'. Being too picky was not a particularly good strategy for either a chivalric lady or a coquette.

...when it comes to medieval or renaissance peasants, we don’t have their own perspective, since at least 90 % of people were illiterate.
There are some pretty interesting records from the time the entire Cathar village of Montaillou got interrogated by the inquisition (sadly, it was not Spanish but French, but at least one led by a future Pope!). I've read a book summarising those and man, did those villagers get up to some serious sexual antics! AFAICT, it had nothing to do with them being heretics, either. That's just how they rolled. ;D

A big thing for young girls tends to be knowing in advance, who their future husband will be...
It's still a pretty big thing today... ;) They just get a lot more say in it.

I do think having a list for ideal knight is not that out of place for the ‘princess’ personality and it’s also intended as intentionally anachronistic parody.
No argument there, as long as it's a one-off thing and not taken too far.
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Re: Writing events for BK
« Reply #365 on: May 31, 2021, 10:05:10 am »

There are some pretty interesting records from the time the entire Cathar village of Montaillou got interrogated by the inquisition (sadly, it was not Spanish but French, but at least one led by a future Pope!).

Well, I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition...
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Re: Writing events for BK
« Reply #366 on: June 01, 2021, 10:41:03 pm »

There are some pretty interesting records from the time the entire Cathar village of Montaillou got interrogated by the inquisition (sadly, it was not Spanish but French, but at least one led by a future Pope!).

Well, I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition...

Because nobody expects it.

On the subject of measurements, what Jman says. I'm fine with any measurement system being used concurrently as long as it's not obviously anachronistic (metric would be). But your best bet is probably to stay vague on numbers (I'd go with: 'like you, but taller' ;) )
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Re: Writing events for BK
« Reply #367 on: October 17, 2021, 08:00:15 am »

I've been tinkering around trying to make an event but is there a longer list for variables? I'm relatively new to this so sorry if I didn't see it in the previous pages. The main thing I was looking for is there a variable to check for the number of girls in the brothel?
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Re: Writing events for BK
« Reply #368 on: October 17, 2021, 08:15:26 am »

Not everything is or needs to be a global variable.

For brothel girls, it's 'len(MC.girls)' instead. Doesn't count those at the farm.
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Re: Writing events for BK
« Reply #369 on: December 01, 2021, 09:00:30 am »

Anyway, after years, I still think there could be at least a few user-events.
There are. Most of them are parts of some mod, though. Except for Kite's Jobgirl events, which are probably the best example.

The biggest event mod was Harem. _neronero has some levelup and trait-changing events in Trait King, and Bonanza added a few random encounters and an extensive replacement for 'treasure girl' events. I make no claim about the writing quality of mine, TK events are tied to TK the mod, and Harem was never finished. But there are quite a few third-party events.

To be honest, even I don't know how to best integrate an super-simple event similar to "thief trying to rob you" purely as a Mod.
Harem is probably the best example there, although it needed some mod hooks. Otherwise, my first idea would be to add to the 'encounters' list (or, technically, change the tuple :-\ ) in a new init block.
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